Abercrombie Is Against Large People, Which We Already Know

Abercrombie and Fitch doesn’t carry the sixes XL and XXL in their clothing store. They do carry those sizes in men’s clothing so that buff male athletes will also wear the brand.

Large people do not appeal to A&F’s marketing scheme. The CEO has made multiple public statements on the topic, including “It’s almost everything. That’s why we hire good-looking people in our stores. Because good-looking people attract other good-looking people, and we want to market to cool, good-looking people. We don’t market to anyone other than that.”

We know. We noticed that all of the preppy, popular kids in high school had wardrobes full of Abercrombie and Fitch apparel.

This marketing scheme makes logical sense. The popular teens see other beautiful teens wearing the brand and want to fit in. They see the advertisements full of impossibly beautiful people. Every year, the company comes out with a catalogue that has to be purchased from the store, chock full of pictures of naked, stereotypically attractive, predominately white people. Only people who deem themselves in the league of the attractiveness of the models should be wearing the clothes, as far as the brand is concerned.

Those less “attractive” may aspire to be one of the popular kids. They also shell out the money and don the clothing, on the off chance that this will make them as attactive and as cool as those they wish they were friends with.

Finally, there are those with larger body types who simply will not be able to fit into the clothing brand. This makes CEO Mike Jeffries very happy. Without his clothes being unobtainable by the truly “unattractive”, then his clothes would not be as cool. The core customers are to be stereotypically hot, youthful people.

For all of these reasons, the brand is able to overprice clothing that is marketed to teens. Teenagers are generally not able to pay the same clothing prices that adults do. Instead, they shop at cheaper outlets like Forever 21 and H&M. With this cool-ness branding, teenagers are willing to pay whatever it takes to make it. Massive amounts of buyers fly from Asian countries to large A&F stores in order to fulfill their client’s wishes and provide this elusive, cool clothing.

Not to mention that aspiring to these ideals can create eating disorders.

Legally, the brand must hire sales people as “models”. This way, they must be attractive and cool, personifying everything that Mike Jeffries wants. Potentially less attractive employees work in the back of the store, in the stock room.

I think that is a brilliant marketing scheme. I also think that it is disgusting.

Another CEO quote for your viewing pleasure:

“In every school there are the cool and popular kids, and then there are the not-so-cool kids. Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely. Those companies that are in trouble are trying to target everybody: young, old, fat, skinny. But then you become totally vanilla. You don’t alienate anybody, but you don’t excite anybody, either.”

Ugh. Makes sense, but no thank you. If purposeful discrimination is what it takes to be cool, then you get what you pay for.



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Revisiting the Fat vs. Thin Debate

Weight and clothing size seem to be issues that we cannot get away from, both here on Zelda Lily and in reality. Looking back through recent posts — and reading the intelligent and well thought-out comments provided by you — gives a lot of food for thought, but very few hard and fast conclusions.

The sad truth is that, wherever on the spectrum she falls, almost every woman struggles with her weight. The spectrum extremes are morbidly obese through anorexic; both are medical terms since these two deadly conditions have detrimental effects that should be avoided at all costs.

Thankfully, most women fall elsewhere on the spectrum. It’s a good thing, too, since being too far over on either end of the weight loss spectrum puts you at serious risk for a variety of dangerous medical conditions, and judgement from peers, both of which can result in ill effects for the person in question, like it or not.

Looking at this longtime debate from a feminist standpoint isn’t always easy. You don’t want to say, “Go sit on the couch watching TV and eating bonbons all day if that’s your prerogative,” and yet it is impossible to condone the fat-shaming that goes on in virtually all aspects of the media.

Last spring, for example, there was something of a blow-up between Lane Bryant and Victoria’s Secret. Lane Bryant, a plus-size clothing store (although they regularly use models that barely meet the “plus-size” threshold, perpetuating the idealism of the women selling their clothes, albeit on a larger scale), released an ad for a new bra that was refused by several news networks … news networks that were all too happy to air ads from Victoria’s Secret.

From Lane Bryant vs. Victoria’s Secret: No Winner:

Victoria’s Secret models are ridiculously skinny, and the message sent out by the company’s ads, shows, and catalogues is that this is how normal women should strive to look. It’s sickening! And the fact that networks are willing to allow Victoria’s Secret ads on the air but not Lane Bryant’s lingerie offerings is a completely unacceptable double standard.

The reason that this lingerie feud was declared a draw is because normal-sized, healthy women are by and large (haha) ignored. As numerous wise commenters pointed out, you can be a small clothing size but need a bigger bra size that isn’t targeted by Victoria’s Secret. You can be technically plus-sized but don’t look it, so you’re treated rudely by salespeople at both Lane Bryant and Abercrombie and Fitch.

Family-friendly retailer (and creator of a large portion of my wardrobe when I was in high school) The Gap is also playing a dangerous game with the recent ad tagline “Put some pants on, because we can’t all look good in shorts.”

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List of “8 Totally Mean Things Women Do to Men,” and a Reminder of Why Kindness is Key

The folks over at The Frisky recently posted a list in response to another stupid AskMen.com list. I guess those fine peeps produced “10 Cruel Things Women Do To Men” (told from a man’s perspective, natch), so they came up with a list of their own. Especially interesting about this list is the attempt to predict what a guy’s counterargument will be.

Pretty entertaining, really. Anyway, as you read through the list, ask yourself if you’ve ever done it (and if you’re a guy, I’d love your feedback on the proposed “Man Defense”). While this is meant to be hyperbolic, there are actually a lot of these that I’ve seen girls do (and a couple that I might sort of be guilty of myself).

1. Dissing And Telling. Women are not shy about complaining about sex. If it’s bad, we’ll whine to our bestie, the chick we share a cubicle with, our manicurist, the checkout lady at the drug store.

Man Defense: “Everyone knows it takes two to tango! What were you bringing to the party besides a sour puss, lady?”

You know, maybe I’m a sucker, but I’ve never really done this. I mean, I’ll be like, “Yeah, I slept with so-and-so last night” if it comes up in conversation, but I tend to avoid details, especially if it wasn’t great. What guy needs that sort of reputation floating around?

Funny story. Long time ago, one of my best friends fooled around with this guy and told me afterwards, “He kissed like a horse!” Well, a year or so later, the guy and I were hanging out and it was getting to be that kind of a moment. When he went to kiss me, all I could think about was Mr. Freaking Ed.   Yeah, totally didn’t happen.

2. Use PMS As An Excuse To Be Bitchtastic. She picked a fight and now she’s sorry, so she’ll cleverly blame it on her Aunt Flo coming to visit. If it’s not around the same date every month, than it’s not a period—it’s BS.

Man Defense: “No matter what time of month it is, you can still apologize.”

I’ve totally used this one. A lot, actually. And the man defense is a valid point … even if you act like a total jerk (for whatever reason), there’s no reason not to apologize.

3. A Low Blow. When she first starts dating you, she might brag about your bulge. But beware, if you break her heart, she might start telling all the ladies your member needs a microscope.

Man Defense: “She didn’t complain last night! Hey-o!”

Speaking for myself, size doesn’t matter. The best I ever had was also the smallest. The worst I’ve had …

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