I’m sure by now, practically all of you have heard that global public enemy “number one” is dead; US forces took out Osama Bin Ladin at a compound near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border last night, and though the deed is done, the news stories keep churning.
However, my question is – how do you guys feel about it? I know there’s a storm brewing on my Facebook page, and frankly, I’m about to hide everyone. I know this business is going to cause friend and familial divide left and right, and honestly I’m just not all about that.
My point? Whether you feel that your bloodlust has been sated now that the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks is dead and gone, or you think that the continued violence is only going to perpetuate continued violence, that’s fine. But don’t attack those who are close to you because they have a different point of view than your own. I mean, isn’t that what got us into this mess to begin with?
I’m just saying.
Your thoughts on Bin Laden’s death?
I will be interested in seeing how the ‘Obama did this singlehandedly’ angle bears out.
He didn’t claim that and I don’t think anyone thinks that. He gets a helluva lot more credit for it than Bush though, that’s for damn sure. The angles I’m interested (loathing) to hear are conspiracy theories that try to take ANY credit from him. CNN shit all over his moment as it was, stole his thunder right from underneath him. That was wrong, my husband and I were both yelling at the TV “Let HIM announce it, WTF?!”
I did not mean to imply that he claimed that. But the media outlets always have an angle. And I’m interested to see how that one runs.
Obama is a lick-spittle lackey of the Wall St. war machine, just the rest of them.
Difference is the bulk of the media likes him. So the reporting’s a lot different.
Its more than admiration,they elevate him and his record. They use current events as a malleable substance,bending and molding him to appear as someone of accomplishment. Bush was a bumbling idiot with unemployment under 5%,Barry is working miracles with a consistent number of over 9%,it would be funny if it weren’t so problematic.
They think he’s dreamy.
I took the “singlehandedly” angle as no other country was involved in the mission. I actually applaud Obama for this statement. Al qaeda operates in much bigger numbers in the Middle East and Europe, and I believe Obama was pointing out that none of these regions had involvement in the mission to try to stop revenge attacks in these locations. I don’t think it had anything to do with ego or deserving credit.
Justice. Pride. Apprehension of what may come. It’s a rare feel-good moment for America. Show me someone who is really saying “no, he didn’t deserve to die, bad president!” for real. I’d be inclined to shit in their milkshake and make them drink it all… :P
So, having the government kill someone is a “rare feel-good moment for America?” Hell, if that’s the case you must have been hysterical during the Iraq war. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Are you talking again?! I’d shit in your milkshake too but there’s enough douche in it to kill a horse so move along dear.
During the war in Iraq, I helped maintain and operate Air Surveillance. I volunteered at the theater hospital and the smell of blood and death impacted me to my core. I, like every other service member, followed orders and hoped that we were doing some good despite the mess we were all in. When the rescue helicopters (huge chinooks) flew in low and fast, the deafening thump of the roters punctuated every heartbeat with the knowledge that a dead or dying solder was being rushed to the hospital. It’s sad when soldiers and civilians die. It’s elating and justified when evil, murderous terrorists are captured or killed.
Cool story sis.
My husband and I watched the crowds gathering in NYC last night.
It occurred to me that if we’d found bin Laden right away, the pain would’ve been too fresh for the families to be able to join the crowds that were celebrating.
If it had taken many more years to find him, it would’ve been too long for New Yorkers to come together and celebrate.
I know that a lot of people are questioning the throngs of people celebrating in the streets of NYC.
I say, screw that. That city bore the brunt of the terror that was directed at our country. They lived with the very real aftermath that the rest of us sat at home and watched on tv.
If New Yorkers can gather in the streets together and share a feeling of peace and joy, I think it will go a long way towards soothing the wound that gathering in the streets and mourning together caused.
Also, I feel very proud of the Big Damn Heroes who dropped into a dangerous compound and came out with their lives intact.
Getting your target with minimal loss to civilians is a job well done.
The name of the courier that led them to Osama was from information obtained at Gittmo,imagine that!
Dude, you gotta know how much that irks me!
Sometimes I even nauseate myself,I just can’t help it.
Don’t worry, it’s the truth that irks me, not you…
Joey, is that some enhanced nausea? Sounds like someone at Gitmo blew some chunks of intel.
I have to disagree with you when you say NYC bore the brunt of the terror that was directed at our country. If you could see the new additions to war memorials in the small towns all around my state, all the young men and women who have died being blown up in roadside bombs and caves and suicide attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq, and all of the young widows and families who have lost sons and daughters, I think you might feel otherwise. Yes, people in NYC are the only American civilians (besides reporters and aid workers) who have dealt with terrorism firsthand. But the men and women in our armed forces who went to Afghanistan and Iraq come from all over the country, and their loss is felt deeply.
The attack on the NYC was directed at civilians. The entire point of the attack was to make the civilian population of America terrified.
The people of NYC took the brunt of the terror attack that was aimed at the heart of all Americans.
The men and women in uniform who joined an all volunteer military are heroes because they willingly put themselves in harm’s way.
I know many active duty and retired military. They don’t consider themselves victims of terrorism.
The families of the dead service members have made the same terrible sacrifices and felt the same pain that all members of military families feel in all wars.
To lump them in as casualties of terrorism negates the very real horror of an unprovoked attack on civilian targets.
It also negates the very real heroism of the people who put themselves in the line of fire.
I don’t think you are understanding the point I was trying to make. The WTC attacks were not an isolated event that ended on September 11. The way our country responded was to Declare a War on Terror that has continued on for almost a decade, and all of the deaths in our armed forces, and all of the civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are linked to it. Pointing that out does not “negate the very real heroism of the people who put themselves in the line of fire.” It provides context, and the cost of our response in human life. Responding to violence with more violence creates a cycle of violence, a cycle that has lasted for almost 10 years. This cycle won’t end just because Bin Laden is dead. It will continue on for the foreseeable future – the timeline for leaving those countries keeps being pushed back, and more people keep dying. I think that’s a tragedy. Pointing that out is not dishonoring the people who died in the WTC attacks.
No, I understood the point. The death toll that arose from the attacks was great and it didn’t end with the original attacks.
I don’t know anybody who would deny that.
I just straight up disagree that the original attacks on civilians should be lumped together with the deaths of service members.
They are not civilians. It is not the same thing.
When the USS Cole was attacked by bin Laden’s forces it did not strike terror into the heart of the population, because it was an attack on military personnel.
It horrified us, but it didn’t terrorize us.
The attacks on 9/11 terrorized us.
I can only be happy that a city that has lived with the cloud of the attacks over their heads can come together as a city to feel relief instead of terror.
I understand where you’re coming from, and also your differentiation between the meaning of civilians dying, and soldiers volunteering to put their lives on the line. I respect that viewpoint, even if I feel differently about the situation. I’m just not sure about the relief part. How long will that relief last? I worry that in addition to providing vindication for the people who suffered that day, Bin Laden’s death could provide fuel for more radical terrorist recruitment and plans for more terrorism. I have already received a travel alert warning of retaliatory violence toward American civilians regarding an upcoming trip abroad to Europe:
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“The U.S. Department of State alerts U.S. citizens traveling and residing abroad to the enhanced potential for anti-American violence given recent counter-terrorism activity in Pakistan. Given the uncertainty and volatility of the current situation, U.S. citizens in areas where recent events could cause anti-American violence are strongly urged to limit their travel outside of their homes and hotels and avoid mass gatherings and demonstrations. U.S. citizens should stay current with media coverage of local events and be aware of their surroundings at all times. This Travel Alert expires August 1, 2011. ”
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Now I’m going to Northern Ireland so the only potential danger for me involves accidentally becoming the victim domestic terrorist activity (which has sadly seen a resurgence over the past year in the form of bombs and attacks on the police), but people traveling to other places could indeed find themselves the victims of Anti-American violence. This is what I mean about the cycle of violence. It doesn’t end here, I’m afraid. Yes, it is definitely a relief that the man who masterminded the original attacks is dead, and I fully appreciate this momentous day for New Yorkers and others who were affected by the attacks, though I cannot for a second pretend to understand how they must feel.
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But that relief can only be temporary because of the trajectory we’ve been on. Already, more civilians are at risk because of this man’s death. That is the part that troubles me most. When do we say enough is enough? I do not mean to be insensitive in my timing as you suggest. Rather, I see this as an important milestone and a time to reflect on the last 10 years. In doing so, I mean no disrespect to the people who died on September 11, please believe me. And I don’t think that asking that question is necessarily a political statement. Even people who believe in the cause of this war, or did at some point, are beginning to ask that question and see the mounting costs, in terms of financial spending, lives lost, the state of our security at home and abroad, and our reputation as a country.
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Just as September 11 was a defining moment, today may very well be too. I would not be surprised if an announcement is made soon regarding ending the war, though I don’t necessarily expect it either. I guess what I mean to say is, where we go from here is about more than that day in September, though that day will always define it too. It also needs to include everything that has happened since then. I cannot look at what happened on September 11 without seeing the next 10 years along with it, and worrying about what the next 10 years will bring. Will we be safer? Will we be less fearful? Will our children grow up in a world where they learn what terrorism is before they learn about algebra? That’s where I was when we found out about the attacks. A 7th grade algebra classroom. I’m not sure why we feel the need to mention where we were and what we were doing when it happened, but we all know, don’t we? Asking tough questions doesn’t diminish that, and I would never intend for it to.
I completely agree that the feeling of relief will be momentary.
But it’s like taking a deep breath or yawning when you need oxygen. Necessary.
I couldn’t help but feel that your facebook status was akin to sticking your finger in somebody’s mouth when they are yawning.
This is my Facebook status: “Ok, so Osama’s dead. How many years of my life did we spend at war hunting him? Nearly half. How much money have we spent? Trillions. How many men, women, and children have died because of it? Thousands more than those who lost their lives in the WTC attacks. Worth it? Sorry, no. It doesn’t make me unpatriotic to do a cost/benefit analysis and conclude that it’s time for peace. And where the hell are those WMD’s?”
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I get that this is a very important moment, especially for people in NYC. But at what cost?
You would have those lives be lost in vain? Hand me your milkshake…
Which lives? There are a LOT of dead people resulting from this, so you need to specify who you’re talking about.
Your milkshake- please, I really gotta go!
If you actually got that this was an important moment, you’d wait at least a day to tell facebook how incredibly callous you are.
I’m not “incredibly callous” because I disagree with how our country went about this. I lost friends in the WTC attacks. I KNOW how devastating it was. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with the bloodlust that came after it. I don’t think reminding people that many more deaths came later because of our course of action is “callous”.
The particular feeling that it wasn’t worth it is an opinion that I don’t necessarily disagree with, nor did I suggest that it makes you unpatriotic.
You’re callous for so desiring to make your political statement that you couldn’t wait a day.
It was insensitive. That’s what callous means.
Newsflash: Sarah isn’t my Mommy. I “get” to say that I think that your timing was callous if I want to.
If you’re determined to say whatever you want whenever you want, you should be prepared to be told that your timing makes you seem insensitive.
Holding a different political viewpoint than most is not something to be ashamed of. Being insensitive is.
Alright, then I’m still confused about your first comment. If waiting a day were so much less insensitive, then why would I still be letting Facebook know how callous I am in 24 hours? If 24 hours is what makes the difference, then the opinion you find callous today wouldn’t be callous tomorrow, right? Or do you just think it’s callous regardless? That’s the part I’m having a problem with. You seemed to say one thing before, and something else now.
You’re right. I didn’t specify the way I meant to.
The sentiment itself is slightly callous, in that it will always be deemed insensitive to some people.
The thing that I found truly callous, under any circumstance, was your timing.
When I said you couldn’t wait a day, I didn’t mean a literal 24 hours.
I did mean that it is incredibly callous to care so much about voicing your negative opinion (with a post that came across as incredibly flippant) that you didn’t take into account the very real need that many people feel to have a moment of frickin’ peace and relief.
Is this going to end the violence? No.
Were the American people terrorized by the 9/11 attacks? Yes.
Do we deserve one day to feel a moment of peace and satisfaction? Yes. I really think we do.
And I really, really think that your timing was lacking in basic human sensitivity.
I also sensed a certain amount of pride in what you’d written, as if you were glad to be the voice of reason in an emotional climate.
I found that callous as well.
I’m not sure where you got that sense of pride. All I feel is anger and frustration, especially towards the people who lied to us and used September 11 as an excuse to get us involved in a war, knowing full well that the maximum amount of time they would be involved was 8 years, at which point they could walk away, relax, and make millions of dollars writing memoirs (and no I am not just talking about the president). And now this death is being framed almost as if it proves everything was worth it, and those people were right. I don’t think it was worth it, and I don’t think they were right. If you think I’m gloating, you are mistaken. I’m pissed off. There’s a headline on CNN that actually says “Victory for U.S.” as if this is over, and another that says “deathblow to Al Qaida” as if there aren’t 8 people waiting in the wings to head the organization. I am cynical because I feel I have to be, in response to such naive propaganda. Not enough people voiced their opposition before. I don’t want to see that happen again, ever. Even if that means I appear to be insensitive and callous. Even if it happens to be on a day when some people are celebrating.
You don’t see the pride you’re exhibiting for being a person that is speaking her mind? It’s all over this one too.
You stated that you will speak your mind even if it’s a time when people are celebrating, and even if it makes you seem insensitive or callous.
Ok. Then accept the fact that it makes you appear insensitive and callous.
I don’t think saying something despite the fact that it’s unpopular is pride. It’s being cautionary and reminding people that this isn’t just roses.
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I think this article sums up my feelings pretty well: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa/index.html
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Especially these parts:
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“This is bin Laden’s lamentable victory: He has changed America’s psyche from one that saw violence as a regrettable-if-sometimes-necessary act into one that finds orgasmic euphoria in news of bloodshed. In other words, he’s helped drag us down into his sick nihilism by making us like too many other bellicose societies in history — the ones that aggressively cheer on killing, as long as it is the Bad Guy that is being killed.
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When we lose the sadness part — when all we do is happily scream “USA! USA! USA!” at news of yet more killing in a now unending back-and-forth war — it’s a sign we may be inadvertently letting the monsters win.”
It’s not the saying it that’s prideful.
It’s the declaration that what you have to say is so important that you can’t take the time to be considerate.
It’s the assertion that your seeming callousness is unimportant compared to the message that YOU need to spread.
That’s pride.
Alright, I will accept that. I think there is too much at stake to change the timing I choose to voice my opinion to accommodate the people who want to celebrate this death, and if that is pride, fine.
Also, did you bother to read this blog article? Just because I have a different opinion doesn’t mean you get to personally attack me. My different views don’t mean that I am dishonoring those who died. They don’t make me unpatriotic. I am allowed to feel differently and I will not be ashamed for speaking out about it.
I will not celebrate his death, but instead mourn all of the lives that have been lost.
Now if Israel is smart,they’d light up their jets and take care of those Iranian nukes tonight.
Shannon,before you get too invested in beating up this bellicose American euphoria,remember that instead of wrapping this piece of human debris in bacon and dragging him behind a helicopter,they took his body and gave him a proper burial in accordance to Muslim law,something 3,000plus Americans didn’t get on 911.
True, but I think they learned from the mistakes of the Saddam Hussein hanging. Now that was a fuckup.
We didn’t hang Saddam,he was hung by the Unity Government of Iraq.
Yes I know, but we can’t pretend the U.S. didn’t have any influence in how that was orchestrated, even if it was by failing to weigh in with an opinion.
We advised them not to,Bush publicly stated that he was upset in the way it was handled.
I find it interesting that no matter what the facts are,its always the United States in the wrong,it seems some people will bend over backwards to blame the big bad US.
Right there with you Joey. Anymore it seems as though we can never do anything right.
The fact that he was hanged wasn’t the problem I had. It was that people were cheering and yelling insults at him as he was being hanged, and someone videotaped that with a cell phone. Regardless of what a horrible person he was, I found that inappropriate. I don’t think it’s unfair to hold the U.S. partially responsible in a country that we are involved in. We may have handed over the trial to the Iraqi government, but we were and are still occupying the country. That means that we do retain some responsibility for what occurs, especially in the eyes of its citizens. Anything the Iraqi government gets wrong reflects poorly on us, until we’re out of there.
Should we have pointed guns at the screaming Iraqis until they shut up so that Saddam could be hung with dignity?
That’s a real question. How do you propose that the US should have controlled the populace in that situation?
It seems like what bothered you about that situation is human nature, and I don’t disagree that it was a disgusting display.
I just really don’t understand how the reaction of the crowd was something the US could possibly have controlled.
Shannon is one of these sanctimonious liberals who will blame the US for anything and everything.
As per usual Joey, we can always count on you to divide us up into lefty liberals and righty tighties.
Indigo,you know how I can do that? At night,if I drink enough high priced whiskey,Rush Limbaugh comes to me in a vision and gives me your names,pretty cool huh!
Huh, weird. Usually when I have copious amounts of whiskey I have visions of Al Gore and polar bears dancing and singing along with the Dixie Chicks in my head.
I’ve never pretended not to be a liberal or a pacifist. Identifying me isn’t exactly rocket science :P
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Alzaetia, that crowd was not made up of random members of the Iraqi population, it was not a public execution. They were high-ranking government officials. Expecting them to behave with some level of decorum is not a denial of human nature. Quote from one of them: “The execution took place after 6:10 in the morning outside the Green Zone [in Baghdad],” Iraqi judge Munir Haddad told RFE/RL’s Radio Free Iraq. “There were 14 people present including [myself], a member of the High Iraqi Tribunal, Prosecutor-General Monqeth al-Ferawn, the deputy justice minister, representatives of the Council of Ministers, and other government figures, as well as four prison guards. There were no representatives from American side.”
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It should be noted that although no Americans were present, they were the ones who handed Saddam over to be hanged, and American officials did weigh in on the timing of the hanging: “A senior Iraqi official who was involved in the events leading to Saddam’s death was quoted as saying, “The Americans wanted to delay the execution by 15 days because they weren’t keen on having him executed right away. But during the day [before the execution] the prime minister’s office provided all the documents they asked for and the Americans changed their minds when they saw the prime minister was very insistent. Then it was just a case of finalizing the details.” So, America had nothing to do with carrying out the actual hanging. But we did associate ourselves with it, and because of that, it made us look bad when things went the way they did. In the average middle eastern citizen’s mind, we were closely connected to it. And that’s the mind that matters. Those are the people who could potentially radicalize if they perceive America as disrespecting them.
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Finally, from dear old Bush himself:
United States President George W. Bush mentioned on January 4, 2007 that he wished that the execution “had gone on in a more dignified way.”[114] Bush later stated, in a January 16, 2007, interview with U.S. television host Jim Lehrer, that Saddam’s execution “looked like it was kind of a revenge killing.” Bush said he was “disappointed and felt like they fumbled the—particularly the Saddam Hussein—execution. It reinforced doubts in people’s minds that the Maliki government and the unity government of Iraq is a serious government. … And it sent a mixed signal to the American people and the people around the world.”
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The last two quotes are from the Wikipedia page about the hanging, the first is from payvand.com (which is apparently an Iranian news organization, I never thought I’d go to Iran for enlightening event coverage). I’m not saying the U.S. has primary responsibility for what happened. That honor belongs to the Iraqi government. But come on guys, you must know that a lot of people in the middle east assumed then and assume now that the Iraqi government is just a puppet government with the U.S. holding the strings. We do have a history of that. In fact, we’re the ones who put Saddam in power in the first place. This incident certainly didn’t help change that opinion. It doesn’t matter how you or I view the situation. We’re not likely to strap explosives to ourselves and walk into a crowded public space.
But you didn’t answer the question of what we should’ve done.
You clearly blame our government for what happened.
None of the info you posted sounded like anything other than the US government’s hands being tied.
Well for one thing, do 14 people need to attend a hanging? I think we could have asked that. Also, how does someone tape it on their cell phone without anyone taking it away? I think maybe one representative of the U.S. government could have stuck around when American guards handed him over. Since there were already 14 people there, was one more a big deal? In such a high profile execution, the U.S. should have realized that sticking around to make sure its interests were protected would be a necessity. Letting a cell phone video get out was embarrassing and the things that were being shouted infuriated a lot of people. Not everyone thought the guy was horrible, unfortunately. Rich despots in the middle east and north Africa for example. That just made him a martyr in their eyes.
So you think we shouldn’t have handed him over to the Iraqis.
Did I say that? Or did I say that we should have added 1 American to the room of 14 Iraqi government officials? Please don’t put words in my mouth.
The thing is, once the US handed him over to the Iraqis, they no longer got to run the show.
You acknowledged that it didn’t go the way the US wanted it to, and they only handed the operation over under duress.
So if the Iraqis are running the operation, what right does the US have to interfere with a government they are trying to support as an independent body?
It seems to me that letting the Iraqi’s have jurisdiction over their own frickin’ dictator was the lesser of two evils when compared with the outrage that would’ve followed the US refusing to let the Iraqi government handle the situation.
Shannon, lala land is out of vacancies, come into the real world and live with the rest of us who must use facts and reality as a basis for understanding the way the world works.
…Or, go back to spinning in circles with your hands over your ears.
I love to listen to your girls argue with Shannon,you really can get her tap dancing around her statements,its funny. I love the line about her spinning in circles with her hands over her ears,too funny. And Shannon,pacifism is great,so are lolipops.
There was one really good point I totally forgot to add.
If the US had left one person there to watch over the proceedings, as you suggested they should have, they wouldn’t have been able to stop the crowd from reacting the way they did.
So instead of the US being able to wash their hands of the situation, they’d have to be explaining why a US official sat and watched that scene play out.
Also, you keep bringing up the fact that 14 people watched the execution, like that’s an inordinately high number.
In the US, our executions are attended by almost that many reporters, and that doesn’t include the number of Officials and victims families.
14 Iraqi officials watching the execution of the dictator that brutalized his own countrymen is not excessive.
Hey Jess, it’s really easy to insult someone without adding anything insightful to the discussion. Props.
Alzaetia, that was entirely my point. Adding a U.S. general or other official to the mix would have completely altered the group’s dynamics. Do you really think they would have behaved that way knowing the U.S. official would report back to his/her superiors about what happened? I don’t.
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Also, you keep referring to the group as a “crowd”. If there are enough people in the group to refer to it as a “crowd” it’s a lot of people. In fact, this is my dictionary’s definition of “crowd”: a large number of people gathered together, typically in a disorganized or unruly way. Either 14 people is a crowd, or it’s not a lot of people. Pick one and stick with it :P My opinion is that it’s a lot of people. Then again, we haven’t had a hanging in the U.S. for quite some time as legal punishment, so I suppose I’m not sure what the protocol is for the number of attendees.
I absolutely do not think that one US official would’ve changed anything.
I think the people were very emotionally charged, and I think it was spontaneous.
One official wouldn’t have changed that atmosphere.
The only thing that would’ve changed that atmosphere is having the US carry out the sentence.
Yeah, there was a (small) crowd. I’m not saying there wasn’t a crowd.
I’m wondering why you think it’s weird that there was a crowd, when there are an equal (if not greater) number of people witnessing most US executions? Why should Saddam’s hanging be witnessed by less people than the average American murderer?
But that leads me back to my original point, which was this:
The US didn’t try the case, and they didn’t carry out the sentence.
They couldn’t control the number of people who witnessed it and they couldn’t control the reaction of the people who did witness it.
It would have caused a serious international incident, not to mention pissing off the people they were trying to cooperate with to protect the lives of Iraqis and US soldiers, in order to take control of the trial and execution.
“It would have caused a serious international incident, not to mention pissing off the people they were trying to cooperate with to protect the lives of Iraqis and US soldiers, in order to take control of the trial and execution.”
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So are you saying it DIDN’T cause a serious international incident, and the leaked video DIDN’T endanger the lives of Iraqis and US soldiers?
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Also, how do you think that a U.S. official present at such an event wouldn’t have protested someone recording the hanging with a cell phone?
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And what evidence do you have that U.S. official being present for the execution would be a problem? The U.S. handed the man over for the execution. I think the fact that he was in their custody would mean it would be fine, especially considering we occupied that country at the time.
Clearly they should have consulted you first.
You would’ve been able to tell them ahead of time what would happen during the execution.
Someone this evil should have been cremated.
In fact, many of those who were killed were burned to death – directly in contradiction with Muslim beliefs about burial. Cremation is forbidden because it is their belief that you cannot go to heaven then.
So, in his putrid, evil little mind, he consigned thousands of people to hell. And rejoiced.
He didn’t deserve what he did get as far as a burial.
“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” – Martin Luther King Jr.
Revenge is sweet,and not fattening-Alfred Hitchcock
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Word Fresh!
Where did he say that?
It doesn’t matter when he said it,the majority of what Martin wrote and said was plagiarized.
And a good chunk of what he is quoted, he never said.
“I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy.”
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ROFLMAO. Fake MLK quote.
I read somewhere that Marty used to use Civil Rights funds for wild sex parties with multiple prostitutes,sounds like he was winning before Charlie Sheen,lol!!
Much as the celebration concerning his death skeeved me out(it seems weird to celebrate the death of someone, no matter who), I couldn’t help but be excited. I didn’t really think that the US would ever get bin Laden.
I would have preferred that he would have faded into obscurity, perhaps dying on the toilet while reading an Archie’s comic.
I am afraid that this is only gong to elevate him in the radical’s eyes.
It is what it is.
As a side note, if we are to blame Obama for all that goes wrong, it stands to reason that he gets credit for whatever goes well, doesn’t it?
Shannon,we handed over Saddam because we wanted the Iraqi people to handle their own affairs. If we don’t let new governments function we’re accused of setting up puppet regimes and labeled as foreign occupiers,and if things don’t run as you’d like,we’ve fucked up. There is no winning with you guys.