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	<title>Comments on: Young Woman Thrown Off Vancouver Transit for Button, Ridiculous Censorship Debate Ensues</title>
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		<title>By: juice</title>
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		<dc:creator>juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is as the article says then that woman is a terrible person. She doesn&#039;t pay the fair, then the police officer is nice enough to allow her to ride for free, but she tells him to fuck off because of her lame ass pin? What else is commercialised? Hair dye, offensive pins, leather jackets? I don&#039;t see a damn motorbike around so she can go fuck herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is as the article says then that woman is a terrible person. She doesn&#8217;t pay the fair, then the police officer is nice enough to allow her to ride for free, but she tells him to fuck off because of her lame ass pin? What else is commercialised? Hair dye, offensive pins, leather jackets? I don&#8217;t see a damn motorbike around so she can go fuck herself.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dangers of the Canadian &#8220;Right to Not Be Offended&#8221; – Zelda Lily, Feminism in a Bra</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dangers of the Canadian &#8220;Right to Not Be Offended&#8221; – Zelda Lily, Feminism in a Bra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 23:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But here&#8217;s where it gets complicated. Because while many news outlets were outraged that &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But here&#8217;s where it gets complicated. Because while many news outlets were outraged that &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no claim that &#039;punks&#039; are “self-indulgent, lazy people who complain about everything because they have no real cause.”
But there certainly ARE some people who label themselves as &#039;punk&#039; who ARE “self-indulgent, lazy people who complain about everything because they have no real cause.”
And that&#039;s the accusation here. 
And feminists aren&#039;t against making sweeping generalizations about large groups of people. Feminists, like most other large groups of people, are too diverse to be all for or against something like that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no claim that &#8216;punks&#8217; are “self-indulgent, lazy people who complain about everything because they have no real cause.”<br />
But there certainly ARE some people who label themselves as &#8216;punk&#8217; who ARE “self-indulgent, lazy people who complain about everything because they have no real cause.”<br />
And that&#8217;s the accusation here.<br />
And feminists aren&#8217;t against making sweeping generalizations about large groups of people. Feminists, like most other large groups of people, are too diverse to be all for or against something like that. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, aren&#039;t ideas the first thing we should insult someone for? I mean, we can question the insults in the first place, but if we&#039;re going to insult someone, the appropriate point of attack IS the ideas in which a person chooses to believe. I also think clothing that a person *chooses* to wear is fair game, but ideas are entirely appropriate..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, aren&#8217;t ideas the first thing we should insult someone for? I mean, we can question the insults in the first place, but if we&#8217;re going to insult someone, the appropriate point of attack IS the ideas in which a person chooses to believe. I also think clothing that a person *chooses* to wear is fair game, but ideas are entirely appropriate..</p>
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		<title>By: Alzaetia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alzaetia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socially active punks, in my experience, are annoyed by the &quot;loud, have nothing to say, make the rest of us look like assholes&quot; punks too. 
So I&#039;m pretty sure if the author of this article told them how she felt, they would agree to a certain extent and explain what they do that makes them different than the self indulgent little snots that run around in giant boots and mohawks because they think it pisses off society.  

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You sometimes annoy the shit out of me by the way you look to be offended anytime somebody has a negative opinion of a counter culture movement adherent. 
We get it, you&#039;re a super cool punker girl and nobody understands the movement, and how dare anybody add to the discrimination this group faces. 

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I have no desire to sit here and list my punk credentials, but rest assured, I got &#039;em. 
I&#039;ve personally been involved with a Seattle homeless teen shelter run by punks. 
And most of them have enough reading comprehension to understand that the author of this post was not insulting the girl for the way that she dressed. 
The insult was directed at the masses of lazy little shits that sit around and bitch about what &quot;society&quot; is trying to do to them without actually having any fucking adversity to overcome. 

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If the hardest part of your existence is that you&#039;re not allowed to be a fare jumper who shows her disdain for the lack of respect being shown to the ancient practice of yoga, you&#039;re a whiny little bitch. 
Regardless of sex, hair color and dress style, that makes you a whiny little bitch. 

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And that is one of the least punk rock things I&#039;ve ever heard of.
A real punker would have cursed, spit on the guy, and tried to fare hop the next train. Not hire a fucking lawyer. My God, what the hell has punk come too? 
Now I&#039;m really upset...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socially active punks, in my experience, are annoyed by the &#8220;loud, have nothing to say, make the rest of us look like assholes&#8221; punks too.<br />
So I&#8217;m pretty sure if the author of this article told them how she felt, they would agree to a certain extent and explain what they do that makes them different than the self indulgent little snots that run around in giant boots and mohawks because they think it pisses off society.  </p>
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<p>You sometimes annoy the shit out of me by the way you look to be offended anytime somebody has a negative opinion of a counter culture movement adherent.<br />
We get it, you&#8217;re a super cool punker girl and nobody understands the movement, and how dare anybody add to the discrimination this group faces. </p>
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<p>I have no desire to sit here and list my punk credentials, but rest assured, I got &#8216;em.<br />
I&#8217;ve personally been involved with a Seattle homeless teen shelter run by punks.<br />
And most of them have enough reading comprehension to understand that the author of this post was not insulting the girl for the way that she dressed.<br />
The insult was directed at the masses of lazy little shits that sit around and bitch about what &#8220;society&#8221; is trying to do to them without actually having any fucking adversity to overcome. </p>
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<p>If the hardest part of your existence is that you&#8217;re not allowed to be a fare jumper who shows her disdain for the lack of respect being shown to the ancient practice of yoga, you&#8217;re a whiny little bitch.<br />
Regardless of sex, hair color and dress style, that makes you a whiny little bitch. </p>
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<p>And that is one of the least punk rock things I&#8217;ve ever heard of.<br />
A real punker would have cursed, spit on the guy, and tried to fare hop the next train. Not hire a fucking lawyer. My God, what the hell has punk come too?<br />
Now I&#8217;m really upset&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll insult her because she has no class,and doesn&#039;t respect that some ones little kid will see her bullshit button. Punkers need to grow up and realize that getting offensive doesn&#039;t mean your avant-garde and intelligent,quite the opposite!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll insult her because she has no class,and doesn&#8217;t respect that some ones little kid will see her bullshit button. Punkers need to grow up and realize that getting offensive doesn&#8217;t mean your avant-garde and intelligent,quite the opposite!</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Malice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Malice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, cool lets insult the girl because of her ideas and the way she dresses.
I&#039;d love the author of this to meet a bunch of actual punks girls who are also activists and tell them what she thinks of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, cool lets insult the girl because of her ideas and the way she dresses.<br />
I&#8217;d love the author of this to meet a bunch of actual punks girls who are also activists and tell them what she thinks of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Xan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more offended by you calling punk girls such as myself &quot;self-indulgent, lazy people who complain about everything because they have no real cause.&quot; Thanks, Zelda Lily. I thought feminists were against making sweeping generalizations about large groups of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more offended by you calling punk girls such as myself &#8220;self-indulgent, lazy people who complain about everything because they have no real cause.&#8221; Thanks, Zelda Lily. I thought feminists were against making sweeping generalizations about large groups of people.</p>
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		<title>By: SGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say she swore at him before he had kicked her off! oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to say she swore at him before he had kicked her off! oops.</p>
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		<title>By: SGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am from Vancouver, and I do believe it was brought to attention that she swore at the officer who kicked her off. She had also previously been kicked off for not paying the fare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from Vancouver, and I do believe it was brought to attention that she swore at the officer who kicked her off. She had also previously been kicked off for not paying the fare.</p>
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