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According to a recent interview with fashion website WWD, Kate Moss opened her poisonous rat trap of a mouth and uttered a phrase that is either scarily accurate or completely off base. Moss states that “nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.”
Looks like all of those Pro-Ana sites are going to have some brand-new fodder from the one and only coKate.
Moss has never been one to shy away from her thoughts regarding “thin” being “in” and she still hasn’t seemed to escape the notion that skinny is the only way to go. Currently, she’s receiving a lot of flack about her most recent comment; the general public is disenchanted with the taboo of normalcy and they’re giving her verbal hell for it. Katie Green, spokesperson for the movement to eradicate size zero models states that she felt Moss’ comment was “shocking and irresponsible.” Naturally, Kate’s agent states that her words were misinterpreted, but yet how could one take the phrase “nothing tastes as good as skinny feels” beyond how it sounds? While Kate herself claims that she has fallen far from the “traditional” size double-zero, she continues to attempt the perpetuation of ”the skinner, the better.”
What do you guys think? Is it much ado about nothing or were her comments as damaging as many others claim them to be? Could it have been a mere reference to maintaining a healthy weight and diet or are we giving Kate too much benefit rather than doubt?
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Maybe it was a response to people saying they are actively getting rid of skinny models? I’d be kind of bitchy if someone said I didn’t deserve MY job.
Also, I read somewhere else that Kate Moss was smart…..but she clearly can’t think up unique quips…..disturbing, really, how many teenagers I’ve seen with that quote on myspace, really….
Actually, if I remember correctly, Kate Moss said that that was somethng her mother said.
I think the interpretation drives the statement, and it depends on how you take it.
Personally, I love pasta, but I know gorging on it may taste yummy and make me a bit happy, but in the end I like the weight I’m at (a respectable BMI) and curb my eating to maintain it.
Bailey’s. ice. cream.
I win. Haha, Kate Moss, haha.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, tastes better than homemade cheesecake with whipped cream and strawberries. By this, I mean that I’d rather have that cheesecake and mildly wish I could weigh five pounds less than weigh 100 lbs and never get to enjoy some truly fattening and delicious foods.
However, some people don’t seem to feel this way and that’s sad because I believe that if you’re not unhealthy or overweight, there are LOTS of things that taste better than being skinny.
Damn. Didn’t mean to reply to your post. Sorry!
It’s cool–it makes me feel special!
Mostly this just makes me sad for her. It makes it sound like she’s bought into the idea that the most valuable aspect of her identity is her looks, so whatever she has to do to keep those is worth it. She’s been in the industry since she was (barely) a teenager. It wouldn’t surprise me if she has a warped sense of self-worth. I wish people would stop perpetuating this women-as-pretty-things idea, but I can’t blame her, she’s a victim herself.
The women-as-pretty things idea is biological,perpetuation of the species deal,but believe me its temporary. After a couple of rolls in the hay,you need someone to talk to.
I’ve heard a lot of people use that phrase and none of them meant it negatively. It’s a big weight watchers mantra, nothing tastes as good as thin feels. Chocolate cake or ice cream or alfredo sauce might taste good but is it worth eating it if it’s going to make you gain weight or prevent you from losing? I know some people say that life is too short not to eat chocolate cake but personally I think life is too short to eat chocolate cake.
I agree that it sounds odd coming from someone so skinny but I don’t think she wants everyone to look like her. I know she’s aware that she’s very skinny and I’ve never got the impression that she thinks everyone should aim to look like her.
I agree. I think it’s not really a big deal.
Yes, people are worth more than their looks.
But your healh and self esteem are worth more than snacking.
Weight IS something that many people do (and should) worry about. I think that, in context, there’s nothing so awful about this statement.
I completely agree with Zelda. Nothing tastes so good that you have diabetes, obesity, and a myriad of other health issues. It only sounds odd because Kate Moss said it.
Models are boring. Next!
Elyse Sewll was smart and funny,but she doesn’t blog anymore. Elyse where are you!
Sewell
Oooh, I liked Elyse Sewell’s blog a lot. I’d forgotten about it. I think it went away after her boyfriend kicked her ass in a hotel room a year or so ago.
She kept posting for quite a while after that, actually. She worked in China and Hong Kong for about a year following that incident; I friended her blog because she always took hilarious photos of the places she went, new foods she tried, and people she met. She stopped blogging when she came back home to the US, if I remember correctly.
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I’ve read that she was one of the highest paid models in Japan,I was in love with herblog. I miss it! Nat is right,she did blog after the smack down with Marty. Where are you Elyse!!
I honestly like that statement and use it as a mantra: Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels!
I works for me! No gripe here :)
That’s ridiculous. Maybe ‘no shitty junk food or french fries could taste as good as being a healthy weight feels’ but that doesn’t sound as kicky, does it?
Is this the kind of message you want to send young girls? Maybe you are already a lost cause, but they might not be. Kate Moss is a GROWN UP. A grown up that is aware that she has been famous for quite some time and that when she says something like this in an interview, a lot of people, including young, self conscious girls who are affected by her words.
This statement can be what she thinks, but it was irresponsible to broadcast it.
Whoops, should read: A grown up that is aware that she has been famous for quite some time and that when she says something like this in an interview, a lot of people, including young, self conscious girls are affected by her words.
That phrase has been on pro-ana sites for years.
Actually, lots of things taste as good as skinny feels. And most of them are terrible for you. But I’m going to eat them anyway for as long as my superhuman metabolism holds out (which probably won’t be for much longer, sigh). And even when my superhuman metabolism poops out on me, there’s no need to sacrifice completely: EVERYTHING IN MODERATION, people.
To be fair to Kate Moss I actually respect her a hell of a lot for not following the current trend of super-thin women saying, “Oh yes, it’s very important to have a healthy weight – I myself love burger and chips because I’m just a normal girl!”
Lies. Damn lies.
Also (to me) – being skinny does feel great. I love it: my clothes look great, I get cheekbones, and I my muscle-tone looks awesome. However, it’s also a hell of a lot of work to maintain it – and quite frankly I do love burgers and chips (and double chocolate chip muffins- I’m eating one right now and it. is. awesome.)
So in conclusion, being skinny does feel good, but there are things that taste better.
It’s more damaging to lie about how you maintain your weight than to be honest about it.
Look at men–yes, they know the muscular six-pack dude is the ideal, but they don’t get all bent out of shape when they don’t look that way, because they know it takes work and effort that they aren’t willing to put in. Women, on the other hand, look at thin movie stars swearing up and down that they eat so normally, and just love ice cream blah blah blah. I think THAT deranges point-of-view more because we then think, “well SHE’S somehow better, and I do everything the same and I’m still gross, and therefore innately not good enough–why can’t I be as good?” etc. When people like Elizabeth Hurley, and Kate Moss are honest, we are just freer to think “well, bitch is crazy devoted– I got a life to live” and take it less personally.
That said, mentioning that weight-loss can be achieved 95% of the time by just putting down the fork is practically a sin these days. Recent stats are putting more than 60% of the US population in the overweight-to-obese range. Maybe it’s something to think about.
And pizza tastes better than being supermodel skinny. With extra cheese.
Sure they love burgers and chips. They get their assistants to eat them then burp in their faces so it’s just like they’re eating them themselves.
The way I figure it you do have to have a pretty decent metabolism to be that thin. Sure you also need to eat like a bird and work out like crazy but I know I eat a very healthy diet and work out on a regular basis yet I’m still overweight because my metabolism completely sucks. I just can’t eat junk food basically ever. I ate like a total pig today since it was thanksgiving but that was total pig by my standards; I rarely touch dessert but I had a small slice of apple pie with about 1/4 cup of ice cream and 2 chocolates. Of course I feel like total crap but I figure it’s un-American not to feel awful after thanksgiving dinner ;-)
I also think that we need to spend less energy on daily life,which is natural with modernity. That will lower your metabolism,we’ve become sedentary. I also think that has a lot to do with all of the depression we seem to have these days.
True. I’m not really sedentary though since I’m a housewife and SAHM. Not the same level of activity as working on a farm say but much higher an office worker. I spend the majority of my day moving in one way or another whether it’s picking up or lugging laundry baskets around my 4 level home or out running and playing. I agree that everyone uses less energy in their chosen field than they would have 50 years ago.
A quarter of a cup of icecream.. that is tiny. You feel like crap afrer that little dessert? I eat a lot more dessert than that *blush* My BMI is like 18 though. Yay for being 6ft? XD
I know it’s not much, less than a single serving. It’s just because I never touch that kind of stuff. Mostly I eat veggies, fruit, beans, and whole grains. Any time I eat refined sugar it hits me hard.
I’m pretty sure I could stop eating all together and never reach a BMI of 18, even when I’m thinner I still have hips and boobs. As a teen I was a size 6 with a 36C bra size and I’m also very muscular and dense which means my weight will always be high for my frame. I was talking about to a woman the other day who is the same height and dress size as me but almost 50lbs lighter.
And see – the fact that somebody with the same clothing size ways 50 pounds less than you just shows how stupid BMI is. I have the same thing, I am pretty muscular and weigh more than other people who wear the same clothing size as me.
You shouldn’t have to keep apologizing for your weight. You shouldn’t keep on having to explain that you are actually eating healthy and working out.
I cannot tell you much it pisses me off how weightist this country has become and EVERY FREAKING BODY who has the “healthy” BMI – and even those who don’t feel entitled, even obliged to make a comment that IT IS NOT OK TO BE OVERWEIGHT!
Jesus people. Get a life. Stop making people feel guilty and bad about themselves. Do you really think that there are people out there who are fat and who think that it’s great for them to be fat? Do you really need to keep on mentioning that obesity causes diabetes and cardiovascular problems? Do you really think thats NEWS to anybody?
I think the only reason people keep on saying it over and over again is because it makes them feel superior. “Look, I am thin. I might not have anything else going for me but I can go to the doctor with a broken arm without the doctor giving me a speech about being 10 pounds overweight, thus I am superior to you!”.
I usually don’t even read posts like that anymore. Not even on a feminist website like that because that shit ALWAYS comes up.
And you know what? I have NEVER had problems with eating as I’ve had since I moved to the US. I have never been as obsessed with my weight, I have never had problems like this to lose weight. I have never felt so ugly in my whole life.
Guess what, people: Making other people feel bad about their weight makes them want to eat MORE, makes them want to feel comfort.
People KNOW the risks of obesity. You don’t have to repeat them endlessly.
That comment was extremely awesome. I haven’t seen this opinion more well-put than the one above… sometimes people don’t notice their patronizing ways when they talk of their healthy BMI’s and how easily americans risk diabetes and heart disease.
and to know that there are starving kids in third world countries whose mouths quiver for a slice of banana pie.. :(
Excellent points all but I’m really not apologizing :-) Fact is, I’m always going to be overweight according to my BMI but I’m still fat now. When I was a size 6 as a teen my BMI was still 26 and I don’t see me ever getting that low ever again.
While my dr might nag me about my weight he can’t nag me about my heart rate or cholesterol, both of which would be pretty awesome for a skinny person my age and are outstanding for someone of my age and weight. I might be fat but I’m healthier than many thin people out there.
I don’t know about that…just because people don’t want to hear something doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said. Would you not mention health risks of smoking in case they made a smoker feel bad? Not mention what drugs do to a body because an addict will get guilty? Never discuss global warming because people will feel bad about their own carbon footprint?
I don’t think that addressing someone directly is appropriate most of the time. Of course not.
But to never mention that obesity IS a growing problem–and on a discussion forum to boot– just because people don’t want to hear it….that makes no sense.
Well, that explains a lot Syd, the fact that you got bullied by big girls.
I got bullied too. For 8 years of my life I got bullied so bad that I wanted to kill myself every single day of those 8 years. I got physically and mentally abused. Looking back I am very surprised (and glad) I survived those years.
I got bullied by skinny girls though. You know, they don’t have to be big to beat you up. I was taller and bigger than those girls but I would have never raised my hands against them, not out of fear but because I was brought up with the morale that it is wrong to hit somebody. I was also brought up with the morale that it’s wrong to call people names, so I never had a comeback for them (which in retrospect is something I would do different this time around because I was the easiest target ever).
But that was 14 years ago. If this would have happened now, with the internet and Myspace and Facebook this would have been much, much worse. At least back then I could go home and be left alone there.
Anyway. I don’t hate skinny girls because I got bullied by skinny girls. I don’t even hate those particular girls anymore. Or the boys. You move on. And it makes your life a whole lot better when you do.
And THIS is the type of ignorant comment that gets thin girls defensive when heavy women complain about not being accepted. Please, before you ever complain about being told that you eat too much and that’s why you’re big, consider the absolutely idiotic thing you just said about thin women. If you go around saying that type of thing to people’s faces, I can’t say that you don’t deserve to have any of your habits commented on, because what you said is equally unfair and stupid.
You know Syd, hon’, that’s EXACTLY the point. Maybe people don’t ask for your opinion on their weight. I don’t know who you have to live with but there are fat people who don’t constantly complain about being fat.
You must have been seriously bullied by some big girls when you were younger to have so much bitterness in you.
I have NEVER, in my whole life, told somebody they should gain or lose weight. I have NEVER commented on anybodies eating habits, not my super underweight ex-roommate who would only eat junk-food, nor when I lost 80 pounds myself and decided to eat healthy, organic food.
Why not stop throwing all people in a pot, just because they have one physical feature in common Syd?
You just confirmed that you are the kind of person who Rhonda keeps on apologizing to. Who can’t believe that maybe people can have a healthy lifestyle and still be overweight, maybe even – gasp – obese! The fact that YOU PERSONALLY felt attacked by this comment confirms that you are guilty of doing exactly what I was talking about in my comment.
Not all fat people are hateful bigots who are jealous of your skinny ass. Not all fat people are haters who blame the world for wobble.
Don’t be a hater.
That wasn’t a comment about thin women, it was a joke about the unnaturally skinny models who pretend that they eat but actually survive mostly on coffee and cigarettes. There are plenty of thin women who eat the occasional burger and fries type meal, one of my best friends is a size 2 and eats twice what I do, but those women with seriously protruding ribs and hip bones aren’t eating anything like that unless they throwing it back up again 2 minutes later.
Aline: Oh yeah, I was bullied. Worse than I’ve EVER seen any big girl bullied. She got called fat, I got physically assaulted because they COULD. And yet I’m supposed to sit here and allow big women who are pissed off because obesity isn’t the beauty ideal complain. And not once did I ‘put everyone in a pot.’ Rhonda did that. Double standard: thin girl says anything negative about a big woman, even points out the cold hard fact that obesity is a choice and is not attractive, she’s a devil. But a big woman makes horrible comments about anyone who isn’t overweight, and she’s HAILED. Obesity isn’t fucking healthy, regardless of the fact that American ‘more is better’ culture says that anyone who doesn’t stuff their faces 24/7 is anorexic says otherwise. It’s almost impossibly rare for an obese person to be legitimately healthy. And I did not take it personally, I made a comment on it.
Rhonda: In that case you may be LESS horribly, ignorantly wrong, but fact stands you don’t know most of those women, and someone who’s pretty tiny in this country to the extent that they’ll knock off sizes that fit me in stores to accommodate people too large to live, I know plenty of healthy girls who eat plenty who are MUCH smaller than me. What this society paints as ‘too thin’ is half response to unhealthiness….and half based on the fact that 66% of this country is overweight. Many of those girls (I don’t know Kate Moss, but at a glance, she could be one of them) would not be spoken of that way 40 years ago, or in any country that doesn’t place obesity on a pedestal.
Aline, Syd is bitter at everyone. She always manages to turn threads into her personal soapbox to bitch and moan about how hard her life is because of her race, size, socio-economic status ect. If you have a headache Syd has a brain tumor. *eyeroll*
OK Syd, we get it, you hate everyone over a size 6. There’s a world of difference between someone who is naturally thin and someone who is starving themselves to make their bones stick out or even someone who is starving themselves to get down to a size 4 or 6. There’s also a world of difference between someone who is eating a healthy diet and working out but is still fat and someone who is stuffing themselves silly to make themselves fat.
I don’t think weight has all that much to do with it. You put the two different women on the same diet, same workout regime, and one of them will be a size 4 and the other will be a size 12.
First of all, I read that interview with her and she followed the statement with “But telling yourself that never works, does it?”. The had asked her if she had a motto.
I think Kate Moss doesn’t care what other people look like. I also believe she is naturally skinny, even though being a drug addict must have helped quite a bit. I don’t think she had to ever work on being skinny and if you look at her now, she has gained a bit of weight around her belly, just like every woman her age would.
She doesn’t work out and you can see that (she has not muscle tone).
I am not saying that she is healthy! I am just saying that I really don’t think Kate Moss is or has been anorexic or is trying to promote that.
And by god, she is a lot less critical about other peoples bodies than most people on this board.
Beth Ditto and that Osborn girl have been two of her best friends for quite a while and I really doubt Beth would be friends with her if Kate would make negative comments about peoples weight.
I don’t get how she’s even a model. She’s got bad teeth, an average face, isn’t that tall and has the knees of a 90 year old.
Peggy: Because despite what chunky seventeen year old girls with bad self-esteem may claim when whining about their magazines, models are almost NEVER pretty. The higher fashion, the uglier. Fashion models aren’t there to be sex symbols, they are there to be clothes hangers. Prettier women are instead pushed into the singing or acting industry. Consider the amount of super attractive singers and actresses who in reality suck at acting and are auto-pitched.
I don’t know about that, the VS models are extremely beautiful and there are some on the runways who look amazing too, I just don’t think Kate Moss is one of them. Does Kate even do runway? The only time I see her is in Calvin ads or in the tabloids with her gross boyfriend.
^ But Victoria’s Secret is in the unique position of haveing to appeal to men just as much as they do to women. After all, men often buy lingerie as gifts for girlfriends/wives, etc.
Exactly Sydney. Men don’t buy high fashion for their wives, they buy lingerie. Those high end models don’t need to look sexual. The VS models on the other hand are selling hope that buying a $50 bra and $20 panties will magically make your wife look like Elle McPherson. No guy is going to drop that kind of money on lingerie if they get the impression that it’s going to make their wife look like a famine struck little boy.
Sydney and Rhonda said it, but I’ll add: Victoria’s Secret is aimed at a more or less average income demographic. Middle and upper middle class women can shop there normally, working class women can shop there if the sales are good, et cetera. As the cost of the item decreases, the weight of the model usually increases. Pick up a teen fashion magazine. There are likely designer ads right next to less expensive brands. The models for Juicy are thinner for the models for American Eagle, and those models are thinner than the models for J. C. Penny. Plus, Victoria’s Secret is lingerie. You need curves to make bras and panties look desirable, period. Same generally goes for swimsuits.
Or Dutch models Peggy.
Douzen Kroes:
http://www.happyhotelier.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/doetzen-kroeze.jpg
Lara Stone:
http://nycartstyle.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/a0uiw32.jpg
Two of the highest paid high fashion models right now and two of the most gorgeous women I have ever seen.
But everybody has a different taste when it comes to beauty. Models are either drop-dead gorgeous or “edgy”. Kate Moss falls into the edgy category. IMHO she used to be beautiful but well, she doesn’t age incredibly well with all that boozin’ and sniffin’.
This slogan is already famous in the pro ana-mia world… she just repeated it. Nothing new, it more shows her awareness of it. Right after she tried to fix it, but it’s more fun to be sensationalist about a slogan anyone that has even had a pretend ED knows.
Anyone who has ever tried to lose weight has heard it. There are millions of women trying to lose weight who don’t have an eating disorder and aren’t trying to develop one and the majority of them are going to look at a ‘bad’ food at some point in their journey and tell themselves that they’d rather be thin than eat that food. It’s not sensationalist, it’s sound diet advice.