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May 31, 2009 at 07:24 pm by Sasha
If you hadn’t heard by now, abortion provider George Tiller was murdered in the lobby of his church on Sunday.
Tiller ran one of a handful of clinics in the country where women can get late-term abortions.
Maria-Mercedes will post a full opinion piece on the story tomorrow morning.
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For some gems from the right-wing on the twittersphere check out this link: http://carnalnation.com/content/7628/3/tweets-hate-crazy-right-twitters-about-murder-dr-tiller
Let me just grab one for you as a preview…. “George Tiller the baby killer was shot dead this morning. God bless the gunmen who hopefully won’t be caught. – readnwatchchris, Creedmor. NC”
Oh look! It’s been updated, here’s another gem “The person who shot Tiller the baby killer simply excercised a man’s right to choose. – Sami Shamieh, Walnut Creek, CA”
HOLY SHIT!!!
that is digusting!!!!!!!
don’t they understand that killing someone for killing someone will NEVER BE the answer?!!?
http://www.kansascity.com/703/story/1225769.html
they have arrested a suspect….
Just and update from Wichita, Kansas news:
They arrested a suspect (name hasn’t been released) and are questioning him now. They’re doing constant news coverage on the story here.
I don’t know about ya’ll, but I’m definitely pro-life. However, gunning a man down in church is absolutely unacceptable. What about the families? It was cold blooded and ruthless murder. I don’t care about Tiller — I care about the children and families that witnessed this awful crime.
However, Kevinisstupid, you’re a bigot.
I used “however” twice. This is embarrassing.
I am? Sweet.
You only care about the people who witnessed his murder, not the person who was actually murdered? Well, okay. To each their own.
I am confused by you calling Kevin a bigot. Was it because you thought he was agreeing with these tweets? Or because he linked to a website that was showing some conservatives being happy about the murder?
Lisa, manymuslims celebrate terrorist attacks against innocent people too so why is that not talked about but a whacko Christian person’s tweets are being used to slam an entire religion? There is definately a bigotry against Christians.
I was just asking. I couldn’t tell if she was saying bigot because A or B. The however threw me off, because she had just said she didn’t get about the guy that was murdered, but then said however, kevin, you’re a bigot. So I couldn’t tell if she was like, oh I don’t really care that this guy died, but those comments (tweets) are way out of line, so Kevin is a bigot for supporting them. OR if she was calling him a bigot for posting an article about some people’s responses to the murder.
Is this more clear?
and I think that when muslims are supporting terrorist attacks, it is surely talked about in the media. However, the media is careful to not make generalizations like “oh all muslims are happy about this.” Just how the media wouldn’t say “literally all conservatives support this murder”
I think those tweets were reported because they show some stereotypical hypocrisy- as in, pro-life people think life is so sacred, unless it’s someone’s life who they disagreed with, and then they don’t care. Ya know?
I don’t think anyone should support murder or some kind of misguided vigilante justice. It may seem cool when the killer is on your ideological side, but we can’t go killing people for having different views.
I just think bigot is kind of a leap. Kevin only linked somewhere. I didn’t read him say that ALL conservatives feel this way. So, sorry. Agree to disagree.
@thatlisa:
“It may seem cool when the killer is on your ideological side, but we can’t go killing people for having different views.”
You’re right. I think this is SO COOL.
sorry. did you read anything else I wrote about all of this? I thought I made it clear that I didn’t assume that all conservatives and/or pro-life people would be happy about the murder. It’s cool if you didn’t- I don’t expect other people to be as comment crazy as me. Sorry if you just read that one comment and took it that way, because that’s not want I think. I feel that some people may be happy about this (well, I guess I KNOW that some people are happy about this), but I so do not think that it is the majority whatsoever.
The people that I was referring to in regards to that statement are the people who have come forward, making happy statements about the murder. I don’t think that everyone who is pro-life is applauding this, in the least. If I was pro-life, I would almost be more upset about this (since it was making my side look bad… if that makes sense?)
Allow me to rephrase: I care that he was shot and killed; I don’t care for his profession.
Mm, I say bigot because Kevin makes it clear he disapproves. I agree, the tweets are ridiculous and out of line, but some people truly thought Tiller was the devil.
I hate that conservatives are put in such a negative light.
Well….. so you AGREE that the tweets are ridiculous, which I am pretty sure is the reason why Kevin posted them in the first place…. but Kevin is a bigot and you’re not? How does that work out exactly?
Okay, makes more sense now.
Also, I don’t see how its bigoted to disapprove of people condoning murder. To me, that says “lawful” and “humane”, not “BIGOT”.
Are you upset that fellow Christians and conservatives are being cast in a bad light? Well, some are acting negatively. No one said all conservatives and Christians were murdering terrorists.
What. The. Fuck.
You’re going to call me a bigot because I am intolerant of things like “the killing of tiller the baby killer was JUSTICE, not murder. – eqbt”
I’m sorry but I am not going to tolerate that shit.
“but some people truly thought Tiller was the devil.”
Some people truly think evolution is fake, those people are called idiots.
Conservatives are cast in a negative light because they deserve it. Fiscal conservative policies ruined the country. Social conservatives are some of the most intolerant bigots ever.
oh and anyway, did either of you even read the article. Maybe you missed this part:
“The overwhelming majority of tweets from both sides of the abortion issue expressed horror at the assassination of Dr Tiller. ”
Ya see? The article wasn’t even saying that the tweets they were showing were at any way typical of any conservative thoughts. They were just reporting on some of the “yay he’s dead” ones.
I agree. Not all Christians or pro-lifers are crazy and it’s unfair to characterize an entire faith like that. It’s amazing how people are so quick to point that out about Islamic people when one of theirs does something horrible but the same fairness is not shown towards Christianity. Why is that?
So you don’t care about the person who was murdered, but you care that honest church going families may have witnessed it? Incidentally, you don’t mention his family, just those who may have been in the vicinity.
Don’t throw stones in glass houses, sweety.
I think it goes unsaid that I’m sorry for his family.
As for Kevin being a bigot, statement retracted. I took it as a generalization against all conservatives rather than what it really was: the angry tweets of a few outlandish people. I understand your side.
My husband works with a guy whose wife had to terminate her pregnancy when she was 24 weeks along. The baby’s bowels were growing on the outside. (That might not have killed the baby boy) But there was no chance the baby would survive the operation because of a major heart defect. They had to go to court to prove this baby had no chance of living. I can’t imagine how awful that was for them. How worse if they didn’t have a doctor to help terminate that pregnancy. Imagine giving birth to a baby that has no chance of life.
Was it really does kind of abortions he did then?
Cause as I understand it he did that late abortions on completly healthy babies. Yes babies. At week 24 its a baby!
I dont mind people having abortions if they feel the need for it but there is a limit as far as how long you can choose that option…
A baby at week 24 can live outside… Its just wrong.
Yes, those are the kind of abortions he performed.
read it this morning
my thought go to his family
This doctor has my deepest respects, I didn’t know it was so difficult to be an abortion doctor
Dr. Tiller was a champion of women’s reproductive rights everywhere. He courageously stood up for the most desperate of women (and men) for decades. He has been shot, bombed, arrested and acquitted, and suffered constant attacks on his clinics. He was always looking over his shoulder and concerned for his family’s safety. Yet he still put the concerns of women ahead of himself. He was only one of three or so doctors in the U.S. willing to perform late term abortions.
It’s very easy to right off the bat condemn late term abortions. But there are plenty stories out there of couples who have made the VERY difficult and heartbreaking decision to abort third trimester. Some couples were faced with babies with painful fatal conditions, like tumors literally eating away at their children. And they have made the decision to end the suffering of their child. Dr. Tiller was known for his amazing support and care for these couples, even providing religious services if they so desired. There are very painful reasons involved in getting a late term abortion. Most of those pregnancies were wanted pregnancies, and you can imagine the grief and heartbreak involved in losing a baby you had planned on having and why Dr. Tiller’s services were so important to so many women.
I am not trying to convince anyone here to share my views that a woman deserves safe choices, whatever that choice may be (I think there is not a lot of compromise in this debate). But Dr. Tiller was a real hero to so many women, and this murder is an act of terrorism. It was meant to incite terror among all women who believe they are in charge of their reproductive decisions, and all abortion providers everywhere. This IS an act of domestic terrorism and should be treated as such. Even Atty. General Eric Holder is sending Federal Marshalls out today as protection for abortion providers and women’s health clinics.
And I believe that all those at the top of the totem pole who shout about abortion being murder, no matter what, have blood on their hands today. Because these are the reasons behind Dr. Tiller’s murder. Operation Rescue has blood on their hands. There is no such thing as pro-life because there is no such society where abortion won’t exist. There are societies that provide safe abortions, and those that don’t. There are societies that provide excellent sexual education and affordable access to birth control, and those societies have fewer abortions. There are societies where women will die because of botched back alley abortions and babies dumped in trash cans, and societies where that doesn’t have to happen because of safe access to abortion services. That’s the reality to this debate.
And we absolutely call al qaeda Muslim extremist terrorists. Scott Roeder (the suspect being held for Tiller’s assassination), by those same standards, is a Christian extremist terrorist.
Well said. Very well said.
I completely agree. Thanks for your comment. I really appreciated it!
Nice to be among other supportive folks!