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Octomom’s Thinking Arby’s
15 Comments | Posted by Sasha in Nadya Suleman
Just because she has eight screaming newborns at home doesn’t mean Octomom Nadya Suleman can’t make some time for her other six kids. Well, three of them at least. Nadya picked up some of her older brood from school and took them to the Arby’s drive-thru, followed all the way by the paparazzi. I love how some schoolkid is in the back here screaming and yelling for the paparazzi to notice him. See, this is what happens when poor people get famous. Ya know, this shit never happened when Angelina picked Maddox up from Lycée Francais on the Upper East Side. Know why? Because those toddlers understand how one behaves in front of paparazzi.
Oh, and check out a close-up of the octo-tummy! NOT TOO SHABBY for someone who recently carried eight human bodies inside her.
I’ve let go of my anger toward this woman. She’s probably crazy, and what she did was crazy, and it sends the wrong message to glorify it, which is why I’ve kept her coverage on Evil Beet to a minimum. But there’s something intensely human about it all — yeah, I know, it’s human x 14; I write jokes for a living, people, I see this stuff coming — but if you step back and take a look there’s more depth here than meets the media eye.
In 2008, Nadya had six embryos left over from her previous in-vitro fertilization treatments. She requested that all embryos be implanted in her, despite the norm for a woman her age being two or three embryos. She wanted the embryos implanted because she did not want them destroyed. The whole reason she had for wanting to attempt her sixth pregnancy in the first place (if you’re doing the math, two of her older kids are twins) is that she didn’t want these embryos to be destroyed. I don’t think this woman was trying to get famous. I think she was just radically pro-life. She saw the embryos themselves as her children, and she felt they each deserved a shot at a life. When two of the six embryos split into twins, the doctors asked her if she wanted to reduce. She was only a month into the pregnancy. She said no.
The more I understand of this woman’s story, the more I have compassion for her. I am pro-choice, and what that means is that I think women have a right to make their own choices about their pregnancies and the ways their bodies are used. Nadya felt so strongly about the life in her embryos that she couldn’t even bare to see those lost. In an odd way, I respect that.
the thing about not wanting to destroy the embryos i can totally understand…but there are embryo banks for people who have trouble conceiving so she could have donated them. or, she could have had still had them all implanted in herself like two at a time. i’m definitely with you on agreeing that a woman should be able to make her own choices on this stuff, but i wonder for example if she knew about the existence of embryo banks, and if so, would she have made a different choice? i would certainly hope that her doctor explained to her all of her options so that her choice was an informed one.
ugh sorry for the poor grammar it’s 5 am and i’ve been up all night working on a final…
I have said all along that she was probably saw the embryos as her children. I didn’t know, however, that the embryos could be donated. I have asked several times what do they do with the leftover fertilized eggs. No one ever answers. I have even asked friends of mine that are nurses and they have said that they guess they just dispose of them. I am not versed in fertilization techniques, except for one, but I have wondered why pro-lifers do not attack fertilization clinics if they just dispose of the fertilized eggs. Life is supposed to begin at conception, right?
You can certainly donate embryos for adoption. They call them snowflake adoptions. I have friends that used in vitro and had they not used thier last 3 on their final (and successful attempt-twins) they planned to allow the embyros to be adopted.
And yes, it is perfectly fine for her to make that decision but not in the face of not being able to care for those children financially at all and expecting the state to pick up the tab. That’s part of the process of in vitro. You have to accept that from the beginning that you may not use all of the embryos created. If you can’t use all the embryos stored you either donate them to science, they are destroyed, or donated for adoption. And yes, while it was her right to choose it still doesn’t mean the taxpayers should cover her decision. I really don’t think it’s a matter of being radically pro-life. It’s a matter of her sheer selfishness. You don’t add one other child to a bad situation (no job, already utilizing the system for assistance, incomplete education) let alone 8. She wanted more kids plain and simple and she selfishly took it to the extreme.
Oh, don’t get me wrong. The woman is certainly a few fruit loops short of having a full box! I didn’t know that fertilized eggs could be adopted. Thanks for that information. But again, if even some of the eggs are donated to science or being disposed of, why don’t you ever hear about people protesting it? Also, yes she is an EXTREME case and I am not taking up for her in any way! She is nuts. But the American people are in an uproar over it. When she is just one woman with 14 kids… There are millions of unwed mothers and teenage mothers and millions of illegitimate kids in America that no one seems to care that they are sucking off of the government. Unwed mothers and children make up the larges percentage of people on Welfare. That is the big problem. People need to get some perspective. One woman with 14 kids wouldn’t be that big of a drain compared to other MILLIONS! Octomom + 14 kids = 15 compared to MILLIONS? Which is the larger burden?
Would have been nice if she had paid for her hospital costs, and not stuck the taxpayers of California with the cost of her decision.
I’m all for choice, as long as I don’t have to pay for someone else’s poor decision-making.
Dude – how does she already look so good?!? My youngest just turned 1 and I’m still fighting to get rid of every pound.
Sasha, you’re avoiding the issue of how completely fucking irresponsible it was, on every level, by both Octomom AND her doctor to even GIVE THOUGHT to the idea of implanting the six embryos at once, regardless of how she felt about them. THAT’s where the error started, and ultimately, where it ends. You can’t bank on “oh, well, I won’t carry all six (as it turns out eight) babies to term.”
Terrible. The whole thing is awful, irresponsible, and awful.
Funny how no one is attacking Kate Gosselin’s doctor for being irresponsible for implanting six embryos. Granted, she had the means for it (or if she didn’t she sure does now) and the father was in the picture, but the medical practice was exactly the same.
My bad, I am apparently misinformed. She didn’t use IVF.
LT — I was midway through a response to your first comment when I realized I didnt’ know what I was talking about and shouldn’t be commenting myself. I didn’t think Kate Gosselin used IVF, but truly, wasn’t sure…and I have to give you kudos for stepping up and acknowledging an error. I quit my initial comment on the basis of not knowing…but I want you to know I’m in your corner. You go, girl. Whatever it is, it doesn’t ring true with many of us, that’s clear.
I think you’re spot on about her being radically pro-life, and I support her right to make any choice about her body she sees fit. However, I think her decision may turn out to be horribly irresponsible and damaging to her children. She was probably counting on some sort of lucrative sponsorship in order to pay for necessities, but most companies seem to be staying as far away from that as possible. Will she really be able to support 14 children without outside help? In addition, she’s been inviting the media circus this whole time, as has her mother. What does that say about her intentions?
In other news, octo-tummy? Bad form. Sounds like Us Weekly style commentary.
I can understand your point, but i have to disagree on so many level.
There are so many points to be raise. All i gathered from this article is that, you mentioned that she saw those embryo as lifes and didnt want them destroyed. And its her Pro-choice.
But let me see if i can understand the whole thing. Correct me if im wrong.
She has 6 kids at home, 3 are disabled. Living at home, with financial difficulty, relying 100% on her mum to support the kids.
Sorry im not finished with this crazy octomum, yet.
How is this Pro-choice??
Fair enough, this crazy octomum doesnt want to destroy life.
We all know that she cant support them herself, she couldn’t support the 6 kids. Im good with math, i dont believe 14 kids makes it any easier.
she is totally whoring her kids for profit.
Not to mention what the public doesnt know. Where and when did she go to to get the embryos implanted. I’m sure she had to lie to the doctors, either about her age or about her kids at home.
I dont understand why this is pro-choice. The bottom line is this crazy octomum enjoys the fame. What did she do as soon as she got her first payday?? She went to get her fish-lips, her claws and gods know what else.
What did she do for the kids? Nothing! She even fired the nurses who offered free service, they even said she’s a famewhore. Even her lawyers (2 not 1) who wanted to offer her legal advice bailed out on her. Why?? Because she is fucking crazy.
This lady is crazy. As soon as they take away those kids to be safer place then ill rest my case. Have you guys seen how she talks in the interview?
Was she on drugs? Im not a psycologist, but something tells me this lady should be put in a safe environment from the kids.
Sometimes I am confused by people who are supposedly this pro-life and yet do stuff like IVF and freezing embryos. If their pro-life view is one based in religion, shouldn’t they take it as a sign that God did not WANT them to have children? (or at least, this freaking many). I mean, you are going out of your way to escape “god’s plan” for you or whatever.
Also with her supposedly not wanting to destroy life– I think I would personally be far more concerned about harming the lives of my children that I already have. Shouldn’t this have been her first, main concern? If she was already having difficulty supporting 6 children, why on earth would you try for more? Why didn’t she care more about the well-being of her half dozen children? This, I think, is what concerns me the most about her.
I worry now fame is growing more important than her children too (like how she supposedly fired the free nurses because she wouldn’t be able to film a show).